Jdofmemi Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, fiend said: Thanks Jerry. The Mud Grapplers will drown out any driveline noise, along with everything else. I’m a little torn between the .010 and .012. I guess it’s one of those things that can always be second guessed. The pattern you have with 0.010 is stronger than the 0.012 pattern. That's what I would go for, or back to 0.009. Link to comment
Dave Posted February 18, 2022 Share Posted February 18, 2022 You can lap the shims if you need in between sizes. Link to comment
fiend Posted February 19, 2022 Author Share Posted February 19, 2022 My high school wood shop teacher would be horrified to see what I’m using a wood router for. 3 1 Link to comment
AJK Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 If it works, then its the correct tool. 2 Link to comment
fiend Posted February 20, 2022 Author Share Posted February 20, 2022 8 minutes ago, AxK said: If it works, then its the correct tool. That’s why the 5lb sledgehammer is so commonly the correct tool. 3 Link to comment
fiend Posted February 27, 2022 Author Share Posted February 27, 2022 So the junkyard 14 Bolt is finally done. I picked up the axle, along with a Dana 60 front from a 2005+ Ford Super Duty, for $1500 from a guy off Facebook marketplace. That was last fall. I’ve been chipping away at the project since then, mostly on weekends. It’s been slow but rewarding. I figured I would start with the rear because it’s a bit simpler, and some of the parts for the front were back-ordered. There are various bracket kits for these axles. I looked at the Barnes and Motobilt. kits. I eventually went with the Artec Apex truss/bracket kit. It’s a second generation kit that’s supposed to involve less welding than other kits. It went on pretty smoothly. No complaints. My welding got a bit better as the project went on. It would have been nice if the truss came pre-drilled with a hole for an air locker, particularly since the only selectable locker available for a 14 bolt is the ARB. It was kind of a pain drilling through the truss and then into the housing for the bulkhead port, but I made it work. I just tested the locker and it functions as it’s supposed to. One of the downsides of a 14 bolt is ground clearance. The chunk is huge. Since I’m going to stay with 37s for a while, is was looking at losing about 2 inches of clearance versus the Dana 44 I currently have. No bueno. One option is to grind the housing down a bit, which gains about 3/4”. Another is a full shave kit: cut off the bottom of the housing, weld on a plate, and shave the 10.5” ring gear down to 10”. After doing some research on it and realizing I’d hate to lose clearance, I went with a TMR customs full shave kit. That was a lot of work to install but in the end I think it came out pretty well. Welding the bottom steel plate to the ductile iron housing with nickel/manganese MIG wire was new for me. I had to pre and post heat the housing up to 400 degrees with a propane weed burner. Hopefully it holds up to plenty of abuse. I watched a couple of YouTube videos on shaving the ring gear with a grinder and flap disc. The technique looked kind of hillbilly on the videos but it actually went pretty smoothly. The bearings on the junkyard axle were a mixed bag. The hub and carrier bearings looked ok, but the pinion bearings were toast. I don’t know how many miles were on it, but i figured it been ridden hard and put away wet quite a few times over the years before getting broken down at the boneyard. So I ended up replacing all the bearings and seals. I changed the gears to 5.38s (Yukon) and changed the carrier to the ARB locker. The brakes were questionable. The rotors were pretty worn, so I replaced those. The calipers may or may not have worked. I maybe could have rebuilt them, but ultimately it was easier to use them as cores for new calipers. So the brakes are all new. So I pretty much replaced everything other than the housing, pinion housing, hubs, and axle shafts. I put on some 1.5” spacers so that the width will match the front axle, 72” WMS to WMS. I didn’t document this with step by step photos. Here are some pics of the finished axle. Now, on to the front. 4 3 Link to comment
Jdofmemi Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 Looking good Greer On to the front. Looking forward to seeing it in person. 1 Link to comment
Gruff Posted February 27, 2022 Share Posted February 27, 2022 37 minutes ago, fiend said: So the junkyard 14 Bolt is finally done. I picked up the axle, along with a Dana 60 front from a 2005+ Ford Super Duty, for $1500 from a guy off Facebook marketplace. That was last fall. I’ve been chipping away at the project since then, mostly on weekends. It’s been slow but rewarding. I figured I would start with the rear because it’s a bit simpler, and some of the parts for the front were back-ordered. There are various bracket kits for these axles. I looked at the Barnes and Motobilt. kits. I eventually went with the Artec Apex truss/bracket kit. It’s a second generation kit that’s supposed to involve less welding than other kits. It went on pretty smoothly. No complaints. My welding got a bit better as the project went on. It would have been nice if the truss came pre-drilled with a hole for an air locker, particularly since the only selectable locker available for a 14 bolt is the ARB. It was kind of a pain drilling through the truss and then into the housing for the bulkhead port, but I made it work. I just tested the locker and it functions as it’s supposed to. One of the downsides of a 14 bolt is ground clearance. The chunk is huge. Since I’m going to stay with 37s for a while, is was looking at losing about 2 inches of clearance versus the Dana 44 I currently have. No bueno. One option is to grind the housing down a bit, which gains about 3/4”. Another is a full shave kit: cut off the bottom of the housing, weld on a plate, and shave the 10.5” ring gear down to 10”. After doing some research on it and realizing I’d hate to lose clearance, I went with a TMR customs full shave kit. That was a lot of work to install but in the end I think it came out pretty well. Welding the bottom steel plate to the ductile iron housing with nickel/manganese MIG wire was new for me. I had to pre and post heat the housing up to 400 degrees with a propane weed burner. Hopefully it holds up to plenty of abuse. I watched a couple of YouTube videos on shaving the ring gear with a grinder and flap disc. The technique looked kind of hillbilly on the videos but it actually went pretty smoothly. The bearings on the junkyard axle were a mixed bag. The hub and carrier bearings looked ok, but the pinion bearings were toast. I don’t know how many miles were on it, but i figured it been ridden hard and put away wet quite a few times over the years before getting broken down at the boneyard. So I ended up replacing all the bearings and seals. I changed the gears to 5.38s (Yukon) and changed the carrier to the ARB locker. The brakes were questionable. The rotors were pretty worn, so I replaced those. The calipers may or may not have worked. I maybe could have rebuilt them, but ultimately it was easier to use them as cores for new calipers. So the brakes are all new. So I pretty much replaced everything other than the housing, pinion housing, hubs, and axle shafts. I put on some 1.5” spacers so that the width will match the front axle, 72” WMS to WMS. I didn’t document this with step by step photos. Here are some pics of the finished axle. Now, on to the front. Nice job man! 1 Link to comment
AJK Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Wow Greer, you did a amazing job. How long from start to finish? Link to comment
fiend Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 3 minutes ago, AxK said: Wow Greer, you did a amazing job. How long from start to finish? Thanks man. I appreciate it. I don’t remember when I started. Maybe in November some time. Definitely not cost effective to pay someone to do it, vs buying a prebuilt set. Link to comment
BaddestCross Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Wow! That came out great! Good job 1 Link to comment
Dave Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Nice work Greer. Did you take the housing to a machine shop for the shave or did you do it yourself? 1 Link to comment
wjtstudios Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 They are such massive axles. So awesome Greer 1 Link to comment
fiend Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Dave said: Nice work Greer. Did you take the housing to a machine shop for the shave or did you do it yourself? I did it myself. Started with a circular saw with a composite blade for metal. That glazed up fairly quickly so I did the rest with a sawzall and a grinder. Link to comment
fiend Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 8 minutes ago, wjtstudios said: They are such massive axles. So awesome Greer Haha thanks. Now that it’s all put together, it’s too heavy to lift even one end off the stand! Link to comment
fiend Posted February 28, 2022 Author Share Posted February 28, 2022 17 hours ago, Jdofmemi said: Looking good Greer On to the front. Looking forward to seeing it in person. Thanks. Hoping to get it done in time for the annual Rubicon trip. Maybe sooner if I can find the time. Link to comment
Jdofmemi Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Time has been my issue. I'm glad to be busy with work, but it sure cuts into my Jeeping time. 1 Link to comment
Crawl2Camp Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 Nice progress on the project Greer! 1 Link to comment
fiend Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 A bit of progress on the front. I cut all the brackets off, including the cast radius arm mounts that are integral to the pumpkin. Yesterday I welded the driver side tube to the pumpkin, a precaution given that the trim of the cast necessary for the Artec kit cuts off a couple of the plug welds on that side. I used nickel-manganese MIG wire, recommended for welding steel to nodular iron. Doesn’t look so great (that stuff is hard to weld compared to normal MIG wire), but I got good penetration. What looks like porosity was just me getting a bit aggressive with the peening. It should hold up. 1 Link to comment
fiend Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 33 minutes ago, Weebz said: Looks good. Thanks! Link to comment
Jdofmemi Posted March 8, 2022 Share Posted March 8, 2022 Looks like it should be plenty strong. Glad to see it's coming along Link to comment
fiend Posted March 8, 2022 Author Share Posted March 8, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jdofmemi said: Looks like it should be plenty strong. Glad to see it's coming along Thanks Jerry! Link to comment
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